oh, for fucks sake.
Ros’ death on Game of Thrones is not sexualised at all. it has sexual undertones insofar that she was a whore hired for joffrey’s pleasure. note she is clothed, this proves joffrey is a pure sadist, this is not a sexual kink for him, he just enjoys inflicting pain on others….
It also wasn’t even in the books, so it was an out for the show writers with the character - as Ros isn’t a main/re-occuring character in the book.
And as you stated, she was clothed. There was nothing overtly done that would be considered sexual perversion on the part of Joff. He simply tortured and killed her.
The thing is that… uhmm.,… you know. maybe if you were more into BDSM you would Get what the sexual undertones of that scene were
there WERE sexual undertones, i know this. but it wasn’t sexualised in the sense that the scene was put there to sexually excite the viewer, it was put there to show us exactly what kind of people LF and joffrey there. if some people found it sexy then that’s their deal, i doubt the scene was put there to sexually excite viewers though, it was just disturbing. the sexual undertones of the crime, that joffrey is a sadist, are what make it so frightening, that he’s fucking killed her.
I’m not sure if “sexualised” means “put there to sexually excite the viewer”. To me sexualised means “having a sexual undertone/implication”. As a matter of fact that’s the meaning I’ve percieved people tend to give it when discussing art and erotism.
People who work with any form of art are usually trained in identifying symbolism in their own production, because what you say with your work and what people interprets of it is so important. So what I think this whole upheaval about Ros is about is that that scene touched a really really soft spot for a lot of people (or more than one actually) and a soft spot that society itself and the media have been neglecting for a really long time.
If people catches that vibe and is upset by that, a legitimate part of the artistic process is people reacting to what they saw. And producers, artists, directors and screenwriters are a lot more trained into anticipating the reactions of the audience than they would like us to believe. Everyone is free to say what we want through our work but that doesn’t mean that we can avoid consequence. That is the way freedom of expression works in most parts of the world.
So I think if that scene was put there “to show how much of a sadist Jeoffrey is”, well, the writers HAVE something to pay attention to; because these series of books has a very diverse fanbase, because a huge chunk of the fanbase are women; because this isn’t the 80’s and this isn’t a gore movie (wich are completely cool but were mostly targeted to men/boys at the time and held a particular notion of womanhood that is really different to the one ASOIAF portrays).
And because there were plenty of things that DID happen in the books that explained his character way better than this. Like Jeoffrey practicing target with homeless and hungry peasants that were asking for food. It was horrible, but it explained how he saw himself as above them and how he saw common people as barely human.
I get that some people aren’t upset by that scene, but some people are. As a matter of fact I’m also upset by the abuse Theon endured with those girls, I’m upset that they’re showing us things that wer implied and the ideological vibe I get from the script overall is all kinds of wrong to me. I feel these writers are overlooking the subtlety that makes ASOIAF so fantastic. But that’s another story. They of course can interpret things as they want.
But my point is that everyone working there is perfectly trained to “get” the implications of what they do. And they were treating a very touchy subjetc, so It’s natural that people might be angry, upset, whatever. I don’t think the writers didn’t foresee this.
And if Ros is simply a mean to show how much of a sadist Jeoffrey is, they’re using a female character merely as a narrative dispositive, and that IMPLIES a great deal of things about how the writers value female characters. Among many other things. Like I said, this isn’t a Slasher movie for the boys were women are there to show their tits and die. So any resemblance to that trope is going to make at least a bunch of the huge chunk of female fanbase angry. Because if this series was different to others, one of the bigger differences was the treatment of female characters. So yeah.
I understand that people may have reacted strongly to this, and that for people who didn’t see this that way or were okay with the “narrative dispositive” to put it that way, I don’t say that GOT sucks, or that people can’t like the chapter, or the scene, or slasher movies. But what I’m trying to point out is that this reaction isn’t surprising, it’s a part of the deal when one as an artist risks getting into certain topics and that we’re living in a time in wich noone can pretend to be unaware of the implications and symbolisms of art, particularly if one works for HBO.